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Post by Super on Dec 26, 2015 3:06:47 GMT
1. Approx date and time you suspended the admin. At the time of this post.2. Why you suspended the admin - include relevant log entries See @farahisawesome 's thread: totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/33059/falceso?page=1&scrollTo=3671273. Did you attempt to correct the admin before suspending him/her? No, but @farahisawesome did and he wouldn't listen4. Did you notify the admin that you removed them from and why? Yes5. If you answered no to either 3 or 4, please explain. Except in extreme case such as the admin going rogue and trying to crash the server or if you were undercover, I would expect yes answers for both. N/AThis suspension is until the new year. If he commits any more buffonish acts during the suspension, let me know and I can extend the suspension. |
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Post by pj on Dec 26, 2015 3:19:38 GMT
Super I don't know if you are actually entitled to place a suspension that long. Also, this is pretty extreme. I can understand, at most, a temporary suspension until he can be contacted. However, this is not reasonable. I didn't hear of any attempts to formally correct him. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he was using a bot, and not looking at chat. Of course he's not going to respond. I object to this suspension and I believe it should be lifted immediately.
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Post by Cowgomooo12 on Dec 26, 2015 3:40:34 GMT
Super, muting and then purging all users is annoying and spammy. If you feel it'd be best to permanently suspend him, you have my blessings. However, I must ask, don't you think this is a tad intense? Suspending should be treated as rogue activities, such as griefing or intentionally trolling, not as petty crimes that should be addressed with a warning. Also, if you look at the provided logs (image), this all occurred in a single second. Falceso, from the looks of it, was creating an automatic script for administrating. From the looks of it, he performed all administrative commands-- probably without knowledge of what the commands did (as a result, I see the issue as training..which is odd, because he's trained...) and as a result, he performed some harmful commands. (Also, for the script, he forgot delays-- which is a bad...)  Also, as for the suspension time: When itzwolf ignored Lucky's direct order not to use '/mail sendall' they were given a suspension for a single hour-- don't you think messaging every single user and directly ignoring Lucky is worst than an accident? totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/28277/suspension-itzwolf
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Post by Super on Dec 26, 2015 3:44:29 GMT
Super , muting and then purging all users is annoying and spammy. If you feel it'd be best to permanently suspend him, you have my blessings. However, I must ask, don't you think this is a tad intense? Suspending should be treated as rogue activities, such as griefing or intentionally trolling, not as petty crimes that should be addressed with a warning. Also, if you look at the provided logs (image), this all occurred in a single second. Falceso, from the looks of it, was creating an automatic script for administrating. From the looks of it, he performed all administrative commands-- probably without knowledge of what the commands did (as a result, I see the issue as training..which is odd, because he's trained...) and as a result, he performed some harmful commands. (Also, for the script, he forgot delays-- which is a bad...) Also, as for the suspension time: When itzwolf ignored Lucky's direct order not to use '/mail sendall' they were given a suspension for a single hour-- don't you think messaging every single user and directly ignoring Lucky is worst than an accident? totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/28277/suspension-itzwolf I will not permanently suspend him since this is only his first offense. If he does it again, then I may consider a permanent suspension if there is not too much opposition. |
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Post by Cowgomooo12 on Dec 26, 2015 3:58:08 GMT
Super , muting and then purging all users is annoying and spammy. If you feel it'd be best to permanently suspend him, you have my blessings. However, I must ask, don't you think this is a tad intense? Suspending should be treated as rogue activities, such as griefing or intentionally trolling, not as petty crimes that should be addressed with a warning. Also, if you look at the provided logs (image), this all occurred in a single second. Falceso, from the looks of it, was creating an automatic script for administrating. From the looks of it, he performed all administrative commands-- probably without knowledge of what the commands did (as a result, I see the issue as training..which is odd, because he's trained...) and as a result, he performed some harmful commands. (Also, for the script, he forgot delays-- which is a bad...) Also, as for the suspension time: When itzwolf ignored Lucky's direct order not to use '/mail sendall' they were given a suspension for a single hour-- don't you think messaging every single user and directly ignoring Lucky is worst than an accident? totalfreedom.boards.net/thread/28277/suspension-itzwolf I will not permanently suspend him since this is only his first offense. If he does it again, then I may consider a permanent suspension if there is not too much opposition. You're missing the point. We're politely requesting you to reconsider your suspension as it's irrational and not based on any previous precedent. You're taking up an extraordinary strict stance on a petty crime of ignorance and mistakes. We're not running a military regime, forgiveness is allowed. I don't mean to be disrespectful, however, what logic is it to suspend for accidents? We're all humans, we all make mistakes. If you wish to take a totalitarian stance and have a strict policy of perfection, I can't prevent you; I simply wish for you to take a stance at the past and perdict the future: will taking an extremely touch stance on unpaid volunteers help you become the best, or instead, will it kill you? Think from a rational standpoint, suspension doesn't help-- it's just a necessary evil, not a policy. |
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Post by pj on Dec 26, 2015 3:59:06 GMT
I will not permanently suspend him since this is only his first offense. If he does it again, then I may consider a permanent suspension if there is not too much opposition. Falceso is not deserving of penalties, and his intentions are not to harm. I'll quote cow on this, it fits this situation perfectly. "Punishment is NOT the purpose of this rank. We're advisors, the eyes and ears for Mark and the other executives. Our purpose is to ensure TotalFreedom's running swimmingly, ensure everything's "just swell" and to use our best judgement on how TotalFreedom should be managed." |
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Post by Super on Dec 26, 2015 4:03:50 GMT
Suspension cancelled. I looked at the situation a bit more and Hockey and Cow were right.
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