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Post by prince on Aug 9, 2020 4:52:35 GMT
the suggestion calls for the abilty of ALL admin ranks to have the ability to see what commands other admins are doing. It helps just a tiny bit with keeping everyone in check and we all have access to logs anyways, so i dont see why admin commands arent being shown in the cmdspy command.
Or perhaps we can have /cmdspy -a - to toggle admin cmdspy.
id like to hear what everyone has to say about this
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Post by Telesphoreo on Aug 9, 2020 4:56:42 GMT
For those unaware, the current system is that Super Admins have access to the command and can see ops. Senior Admins see ALL commands regardless of ranks (all admins, all ops). Super and Telnet Admins only see OP commands.
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Post by DragonSlayer2189 on Aug 9, 2020 5:49:43 GMT
i remember ivan added the abllity for all admins to see all admin commands temperarily, and honestly i wasn't a big fan, idk how seniors deal with that
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Post by StevenNL2000 on Aug 9, 2020 7:24:46 GMT
The idea is of course that you don't need to watch other admins' commands because they are not very likely to break the rules, but I don't see why you wouldn't be allowed to watch them if you wanted to.
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Post by nick on Aug 9, 2020 7:26:53 GMT
As an admin, your duty is to moderate the members of the community (OPs) and no one else. I find no reason why super admin or any rank should have the ability to commandspy on other admins. I recall a suggestion soon to be added where SAs will be able to use Telnet - If you wanna know what other admins are doing just use the log files because what's the point of spying on admins in the first place?
I object until quoted with a clear reason to why we should have such feature.
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Post by Video on Aug 9, 2020 7:27:51 GMT
Administrators can already view commands issued by other admins via the HTTPD server, but the catch is it's not real-time.
Regardless, I agree with his suggestion and vouch.
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Post by StevenNL2000 on Aug 9, 2020 7:33:17 GMT
As an admin, your duty is to moderate the members of the community (OPs) and no one else. I find no reason why super admin or any rank should have the ability to commandspy on other admins. I recall a suggestion soon to be added where SAs will be able to use Telnet - If you wanna know what other admins are doing just use the log files because what's the point of spying on admins in the first place? I object until quoted with a clear reason to why we should have such feature. The thing is, if they can use the log files, what is the argument against giving them another way to see the exact same information? |
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Post by nick on Aug 9, 2020 7:44:21 GMT
As an admin, your duty is to moderate the members of the community (OPs) and no one else. I find no reason why super admin or any rank should have the ability to commandspy on other admins. I recall a suggestion soon to be added where SAs will be able to use Telnet - If you wanna know what other admins are doing just use the log files because what's the point of spying on admins in the first place? I object until quoted with a clear reason to why we should have such feature. The thing is, if they can use the log files, what is the argument against giving them another way to see the exact same information? Given that there is already a way to find out such information what's the point of implementing time and resources on such feature that isn't needed - I don't think it's required. |
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Post by Video on Aug 9, 2020 7:49:14 GMT
The thing is, if they can use the log files, what is the argument against giving them another way to see the exact same information? Given that there is already a way to find out such information what's the point of implementing time and resources on such feature that isn't needed - I don't think it's required. it literally requires the change of like one line. you're making it look like it requires a lot of effort to implement |
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Post by lyicx on Aug 9, 2020 12:38:51 GMT
Vouch. i dont think this really hurts
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Post by Daniels on Aug 9, 2020 12:48:57 GMT
The thing is, if they can use the log files, what is the argument against giving them another way to see the exact same information? Given that there is already a way to find out such information what's the point of implementing time and resources on such feature that isn't needed - I don't think it's required. Just because something isn't required doesn't make it lack usefulness. There have been rogue admins before and if there is a chance to decrease any harmful effect to the server then it should definitely be taken. There is literally nothing to lose in this situation and quite a bit to gain. Vouch. |
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Post by nick on Aug 9, 2020 13:05:26 GMT
Given that there is already a way to find out such information what's the point of implementing time and resources on such feature that isn't needed - I don't think it's required. Just because something isn't required doesn't make it lack usefulness. There have been rogue admins before and if there is a chance to decrease any harmful effect to the server then it should definitely be taken. There is literally nothing to lose in this situation and quite a bit to gain. Vouch. I never said it was useless, I said it was unnecessary. If an admin were to go rogue, see them doing commands as a super admin means little to nothing since they can't do much without a telnet or a senior being there. Telnet+ are given the TC (Telnet Client) which we use to monitor all server behaviour that includes admins, given that we add such a feature - I still see no reason why it would be helpful to have. Everything is logged, and like I mentioned before, I was informed that Super Admins will be given the ability to access the Telnet Client which could be used to also as an "admin command-spy" since it logs everything. |
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Post by nick on Aug 9, 2020 13:09:45 GMT
Given that there is already a way to find out such information what's the point of implementing time and resources on such feature that isn't needed - I don't think it's required. it literally requires the change of like one line. you're making it look like it requires a lot of effort to implement Doesn't stop me from proving a point, I legit see no reason in having it. What's the point of having the ability to view other admin commands? We already have enough of viewing OPs' commands and them spamming - Just give me a reason why administrators should be able to view other admin commands in-game when it's not your duty to overlook other admins as a SA. |
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Post by CurtainPoles on Aug 9, 2020 13:13:36 GMT
it literally requires the change of like one line. you're making it look like it requires a lot of effort to implement Doesn't stop me from proving a point, I legit see no reason in having it. What's the point of having the ability to view other admin commands? We already have enough of viewing OPs' commands and them spamming - Just give me a reason why administrators should be able to view other admin commands in-game when it's not your duty to overlook other admins as a SA. Being able to see other admins commands, it is actually quite common that I see supers and telnets and sometimes even seniors spamming commands which is quite annoying if I'm being honest. |
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Post by Darth on Aug 9, 2020 14:03:12 GMT
I mean Nick brings up a good point. I don't think this idea is inherently bad but there will be some admins that don't want their chat flooded with admin commands. Though I imagine a simple toggle would work.
Vouch
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