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Post by Connor on Apr 15, 2020 0:00:42 GMT
Does this policy also go against EnderNator10's Straight Pride Clan? They have (rarely) used homophobic language and also made a straight pride 'kit' Well I think straight pride as a concept is problematic but y'all ain't ready for that conversation yet
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Post by grntbg on Apr 15, 2020 0:06:34 GMT
No, reverse the roles and think about it, if it was a trans pride clan it wouldnt get banned so if its a straight pride clan it shouldnt get banned. "straight pride" is a protest to gay pride, in principle nothing is wrong with it but nobody would be going around saying "straight pride" if gay pride wasn't a thing. This is a non-argument. "The opposition wouldn't exist without the establishment." Pride implies nothing more than admiration and respect for other members of an associative community and to act as if biologically functioning families don't behave communally is foolish. No, it's that people's individual political views aren't relevant to this thread. This policy is obviously a response to other recent events which transpired (administrators saying things which are unfavorable and distasteful) however censoring people's language isn't going to put a stop to the immaturity of incumbent and resigned administrators. It's not the language per se which is typically abhorrent, it's their attitude in combination with their position; and how that language reflects on their actions in any position of power. Regardless of what you think about sex relations, they're an outstanding political issue of the day and censoring those who speak against such actions (especially in the context of legislation) is foolish. By the definition of what "freedom" means this policy steers away from freedom. It puts a cap on what people are allowed to say and the opinions they're permitted to voice. You're entitled to your opinion but to act as if this policy justifies the widely understood concept of "freedom" isn't truthful.
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Post by ?Robin on Apr 15, 2020 0:24:43 GMT
big yikes in this thread where the straights defend straight pride, whew
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Post by grntbg on Apr 15, 2020 0:28:08 GMT
big yikes in this thread where the straights defend straight pride, whew No, nobody's done that. I have no investment in "straight pride" and I don't subscribe to that ex-administrator. That being said, contempt isn't an excuse for saying wrong things with little effort. It's also important to note that some people (myself included) are bound by the tenets of their faith.
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Post by elmon on Apr 15, 2020 0:40:26 GMT
big yikes in this thread where the straights defend straight pride, whew No, nobody's done that. I have no investment in "straight pride" and I don't subscribe to that ex-administrator. That being said, contempt isn't an excuse for saying wrong things with little effort. It's also important to note that some people (myself included) are bound by the tenets of their faith. I'm both straight and was brought up Muslim. I just have a problem with people going around saying "Straight pride" this and "straight pride" that and using the defense of "what, so I can't be proud of being straight?" when they know it's bullshit and its just a coverup for their counter protest. It's the same case with Black Lives Matter, people going around saying "All lives matter" is the same concept, all it is is a protest to the Black Lives Matter movement. When white people in general don't have the problems that the black lives matter movement is trying to solve.
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Post by grntbg on Apr 15, 2020 0:44:13 GMT
No, nobody's done that. I have no investment in "straight pride" and I don't subscribe to that ex-administrator. That being said, contempt isn't an excuse for saying wrong things with little effort. It's also important to note that some people (myself included) are bound by the tenets of their faith. I'm both straight and was brought up Muslim. I just have a problem with people going around saying "Straight pride" this and "straight pride" that and using the defense of "what, so I can't be proud of being straight?" when they know it's bullshit and its just a coverup for their counter protest. It's the same case with Black Lives Matter, people going around saying "All lives matter" is the same concept, all it is is a protest to the Black Lives Matter movement. When white people in general don't have the problems that the black lives matter movement is trying to solve. Being straight or (ex?) Muslim has nothing to do with this conversation. Faith doesn't invalidate what I said, it's only a reason for why some people may hold those convictions: because they believe in a higher power. The rest of that spiel didn't have anything to do with what I said other than when I brought up the name of those movements being purposeful in acting contrary to the political subjects which they address. I respect your opinion but personally don't care for why you don't like white pepo or those who hold different opinions.
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Post by elmon on Apr 15, 2020 1:07:14 GMT
I'm both straight and was brought up Muslim. I just have a problem with people going around saying "Straight pride" this and "straight pride" that and using the defense of "what, so I can't be proud of being straight?" when they know it's bullshit and its just a coverup for their counter protest. It's the same case with Black Lives Matter, people going around saying "All lives matter" is the same concept, all it is is a protest to the Black Lives Matter movement. When white people in general don't have the problems that the black lives matter movement is trying to solve. Being straight or (ex?) Muslim has nothing to do with this conversation. Faith doesn't invalidate what I said, it's only a reason for why some people may hold those convictions: because they believe in a higher power. The rest of that spiel didn't have anything to do with what I said other than when I brought up the name of those movements being purposeful in acting contrary to the political subjects which they address. I respect your opinion but personally don't care for why you don't like white pepo or those who hold different opinions. I only brought that up to make a point that what your religion tells you to do regarding sexuality personally doesn't dictate how you treat other people.
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Post by grntbg on Apr 15, 2020 1:13:42 GMT
Being straight or (ex?) Muslim has nothing to do with this conversation. Faith doesn't invalidate what I said, it's only a reason for why some people may hold those convictions: because they believe in a higher power. The rest of that spiel didn't have anything to do with what I said other than when I brought up the name of those movements being purposeful in acting contrary to the political subjects which they address. I respect your opinion but personally don't care for why you don't like white pepo or those who hold different opinions. I only brought that up to make a point that what your religion tells you to do regarding sexuality personally doesn't dictate how you treat other people. And nor do "censored" or distasteful words. The way you act towards others is not restrained by naughty words and poor behavior can be expressed with little need for certain vocabulary.
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Post by 1cloud_ on Apr 15, 2020 1:16:45 GMT
The entire concept of LGBTQ is based on the GSRM, 'Gender, sexual and romantic minorities' and as heterosexuality is the biological instinct and only in very, very rare cases does heterophobia actually exist because surprise surprise, radical SJWs who go around hating on cisgender straight white men aren't as common as you think. Nobody cares if you're straight or not, if you do research into straight pride itself it was a concept coined in the 60s by conservatives SPECIFICALLY to protest LGBTQ rights.
Gay pride was not born of a need to celebrate being gay, but our right to exist without persecution. Instead of wondering why there isn't a straight pride movement, be thankful you don't need one.
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Post by grntbg on Apr 15, 2020 1:19:44 GMT
Nobody cares if you're straight or not, if you do research into straight pride itself it was a concept coined in the 60s. Yeah and so was the term "homosexual" because believe it or not these matters had not become a political issue until recent and the age of popular nomenclature doesn't produce an argument. I had a really shitty professor who fit this description. I know that doesn't mean anything, but your lack of exposure to the outside world really shows here.
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Post by elmon on Apr 15, 2020 1:21:43 GMT
I only brought that up to make a point that what your religion tells you to do regarding sexuality personally doesn't dictate how you treat other people. And nor do "censored" or distasteful words. The way you act towards others is not restrained by naughty words and poor behavior can be expressed with little need for certain vocabulary. Yes, and in the past we allowed these words in the context of a joke, however that was a huge gray area and people used that excuse to harass people anyway. It may not go all the way to prevent harassment but its a start, and at least at this point they don't have the "It was just a joke" excuse anymore.
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Post by grntbg on Apr 15, 2020 1:23:58 GMT
And nor do "censored" or distasteful words. The way you act towards others is not restrained by naughty words and poor behavior can be expressed with little need for certain vocabulary. Yes, and in the past we allowed these words in the context of a joke, however that was a huge gray area and people used that excuse to harass people anyway. It may not go all the way to prevent harassment but its a start, and at least at this point they don't have the "It was just a joke" excuse anymore. No, people don't harass other people exclusively by means of distasteful language. If you're trying to say that censoring language which is commonly embedded in harassment is "the right way to go" then you should ban swearing. No, no it isn't. In my eyes it's a step backwards and a crappy patch sparked by a recent event.
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Post by 1cloud_ on Apr 15, 2020 1:27:53 GMT
Yes, and in the past we allowed these words in the context of a joke, however that was a huge gray area and people used that excuse to harass people anyway. It may not go all the way to prevent harassment but its a start, and at least at this point they don't have the "It was just a joke" excuse anymore. No, people don't harass other people exclusively by means of distasteful language. If you're trying to say that censoring language which is commonly embedded in harassment is "the right way to go" then you should ban swearing. No, no it isn't. In my eyes it's a step backwards and a crappy patch sparked by a recent event. Banning swearing doesn't end harassment, a lot of cases of bigotry use slurs because it's directly pointed at the person and intend to personally offend them.
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Post by grntbg on Apr 15, 2020 1:31:15 GMT
No, people don't harass other people exclusively by means of distasteful language. If you're trying to say that censoring language which is commonly embedded in harassment is "the right way to go" then you should ban swearing. No, no it isn't. In my eyes it's a step backwards and a crappy patch sparked by a recent event. Banning swearing doesn't end harassment, a lot of cases of bigotry use slurs because it's directly pointed at the person and intend to personally offend them. Yes, the notion that banning language doesn't end harassment was my point. It's why this policy will not be effective towards ending harassment. The majority of existing cases of "bigotry" (I don't know how you categorize this) embedding "slurs" (again...) into the sentence doesn't make the presence of slurs vital to there being poor behavior on the behalf of administrators.
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Post by elmon on Apr 15, 2020 1:31:34 GMT
Yes, and in the past we allowed these words in the context of a joke, however that was a huge gray area and people used that excuse to harass people anyway. It may not go all the way to prevent harassment but its a start, and at least at this point they don't have the "It was just a joke" excuse anymore. No, people don't harass other people exclusively by means of distasteful language. If you're trying to say that censoring language which is commonly embedded in harassment is "the right way to go" then you should ban swearing. No, no it isn't. In my eyes it's a step backwards and a crappy patch sparked by a recent event. No but I've seen people get angry at people and say "YOU'RE A NIGGER FAGGOT" which is simply them using derogatory terms against minorities in an attempt to offend the other person. This is a huge step from saying "Fuck you" to someone you're upset at.
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