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Post by Zaid on Jan 14, 2020 17:37:57 GMT
For the sake of lingering operators and admins who might not know what this situation is, here is a quick rundown: Super made a thread about people making fun of his friends, including one who was pushed to a mental breakdown. Now, I thought this is odd because I don't recall Panther having a breakdown? In fact, he is still posting on this forum. That's when super finds it convenient to reveal that Panther has nothing to do with this situation, and it is actually about Ron. Now, since the complaint was about people making fun of Ron, and people were suspended for harassing Ron, and I didn't communicate with him, and the only "eivdence" provided if me arguing with Panther, this raises the golden question: Why was I suspended. What is the exact reason and evidence for it?We have established that: - The only "incident" I've had is multiple confrontations with Panther regarding how he is still on the server of he's permbanned.
- Panther is now permbanned, like I've been calling for for about a month now.
- The new harassment policy doesn't cover anything I've said to Panther since it was a back and forth AND the situation happened before the policy was written.
- Seth and Robin have openly insulted Panther in the past few months.
- The entire super complaint wasn't about anything that happened between me and Panther.
- I wasn't there for the incident with Ron, as can be vouched for multiple people, including Ron himself.
The entire situation has been brushed over. Robin, mibbzz, and I were in a GC yesterday and the final statement that the investigation was still on-going and that nothing is permenant yet. But today, there's already a new application for EAO and no sight of any "evidence" posted for my suspension.
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Post by je isnt hapi on Jan 14, 2020 17:44:44 GMT
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Post by speed on Jan 14, 2020 19:50:19 GMT
Super made a thread about people making fun of his friends, including one who was pushed to a mental breakdown. Now, I thought this is odd because I don't recall Panther having a breakdown? In fact, he is still posting on this forum. That's when super finds it convenient to reveal that Panther has nothing to do with this situation, and it is actually about Ron. no where in super's thread does he mention panther having a breakdown, it should be obvious that he was talking about ron when he mentions 'The people I've mentioned have ruthlessly teared at my friends and caused them to actually go through mental issues' I wasn't there for the incident with Ron, as can be vouched for multiple people,
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Post by mibbzz on Jan 14, 2020 20:22:27 GMT
I wasn't there for the incident with Ron, as can be vouched for multiple people, Nothing he said there is against the rules. Also, for the people that don't follow the dumb ass drama of this server anymore, who's Ron?
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Post by Video on Jan 14, 2020 20:25:50 GMT
Since I was involved in the incident, I'll go ahead and address this. Super made a thread about people making fun of his friends, including one who was pushed to a mental breakdown. Correct. The thread was created in response to an incident that began during the very late hours of January 11, 2020. Now, I thought this is odd because I don't recall Panther having a breakdown? In fact, he is still posting on this forum. That's when super finds it convenient to reveal that Panther has nothing to do with this situation, and it is actually about Ron. You're right; Panther didn't have a mental breakdown. But where in the original thread did Super mention Ron or Panther at all? The answer: nowhere. In fact, you can do a CTRL + F on the original thread and you can see the only posts that contain mentions of Panther were not by super himself. Ron was not mentioned anywhere in the thread period. The first person to bring up Panther at all in that thread was actually you. Nice cover story you got going there tbh. If anyone's interested in what happened feel free to scroll through #server-chat the past 48 hours or so. Can't speak for Ivan, Kai, or Bram but this is quite literally blackmail. For those out of the loop, Panther, the currently still permbanned TF player, serial exploiter, and general shit stirrer who has caused several months of server instability in the past year alone, is somehow back on the server and the forum, roaming as he pleases, with not as much as an permban appeal, let alone an apology. Now, since the complaint was about people making fun of Ron, and people were suspended for harassing Ron, and I didn't communicate with him That's a lie. Even if you were telling the truth, you still didn't stop them from doing it though, even though you were an Executive Admin Officer at the time, someone who is supposed to ensure a situation like this did not happen.. and the only "eivdence" provided if me arguing with Panther "Arguing" Why was I suspended. What is the exact reason and evidence for it?
You want an exact reason? I'll give you one. All of you were removed because a good majority of your group engaged in acts of bullying on not just Panther (as you seem to claim), but also multiple other players on the server, including Ron and I. You yourself were removed for not only participating in what the group did (regardless of which people you bullied), but also ultimately failing your job as the Executive Admin Officer. We have established that: - The only "incident" I've had is multiple confrontations with Panther regarding how he is still on the server of he's permbanned.
Lie. See the screenshots above. Panther is now permbanned, like I've been calling for for about a month now. Bullying someone (with the very real possibility of actually getting them to kill themself) is a million times worse than bypassing a fucking Minecraft ban. The new harassment policy doesn't cover anything I've said to Panther since it was a back and forth AND the situation happened before the policy was written. The situation is the direct cause of the harassment policy. Also, it would cover it, as you continued to bully him even after you made it well-aware that the whole thing was not a joke. Seth and Robin have openly insulted Panther in the past few months. Yeah, and? That was around the time that he was presumed to still be on the loose. The entire super complaint wasn't about anything that happened between me and Panther. That's completely incorrect. I wasn't there for the incident with Ron, as can be vouched for multiple people, including Ron himself. See the screenshots above. The entire situation has been brushed over. Robin, mibbzz, and I were in a GC yesterday and the final statement that the investigation was still on-going and that nothing is permenant yet. But today, there's already a new application for EAO and no sight of any "evidence" posted for my suspension. I'll post the evidence onto the forums if you wish.
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Post by super on Jan 14, 2020 20:26:01 GMT
Nothing he said there is against the rules. Also, for the people that don't follow the dumb ass drama of this server anymore, who's Ron? a friend and former telnet admin
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Post by Video on Jan 14, 2020 20:30:43 GMT
Nothing he said there is against the rules.
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Post by mibbzz on Jan 14, 2020 20:50:25 GMT
Nothing he said there is against the rules. Also, for the people that don't follow the dumb ass drama of this server anymore, who's Ron? a friend and former telnet admin Are they still a user of the server?
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Post by mibbzz on Jan 14, 2020 20:51:58 GMT
Nothing he said there is against the rules. He wasn't threatening or suggesting it there, and none of those would constitute bullying in my view
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Post by Video on Jan 14, 2020 20:56:51 GMT
He wasn't threatening or suggesting it there, and none of those would constitute bullying in my view So mocking someone about their mental health and suicidal thoughts in public isn't bullying?
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Post by mibbzz on Jan 14, 2020 21:02:44 GMT
He wasn't threatening or suggesting it there, and none of those would constitute bullying in my view So mocking someone about their mental health and suicidal thoughts in public isn't bullying? With the images provided, no, if there's some greater context I should see to understand the situation better than I would love to see it, but those images do not constitute bullying in my opinion.
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Post by Zaid on Jan 14, 2020 21:21:08 GMT
For an archivist, it surprising how bad of a job you do at keep track of events. Firstly, the screenshots you provided were from hours after the Ron incident occurred. The situation that caused him to have a "breakdown" is someone posting an IRL image of him and then mocking him about it. Ron had long left the server when I said those things, but of which weren't even directed at him but rather at Kai. You're right; Panther didn't have a mental breakdown. But where in the original thread did Super mention Ron or Panther at all? The answer: nowhere. In fact, you can do a CTRL + F on the original thread and you can see the only posts that contain mentions of Panther were not by super himself. Ron was not mentioned anywhere in the thread period. The first person to bring up Panther at all in that thread was actually you. I DM'd super myself and then he provided to name ron himself, use some critical thinking please. Extremely sad that you resort to cutting entire chunks of conversation. But, I stand by what I said in the screenshot regardless. Mentioning that Panther has crashed a server with his alt is not bullying nor harassment. Either way, next time, feel free to include messages of when Panther and his friend threw insults and "bullied" me as well. All of you were removed because a good majority of your group engaged in acts of bullying on not just Panther (as you seem to claim), but also multiple other players on the server, including Ron and I. You yourself were removed for not only participating in what the group did (regardless of which people you bullied), but also ultimately failing your job as the Executive Admin Officer. Who is "my group"?? Lmfao. If an admin harasses or bullies you, report them, not what you assume is their "entire group". If the primary reason I was removed is because I was friends with certain people then remove Robin and Seth as well, since we have the same mutual friends. "Regardless of the people you bullied" So, I didn't really bully anyone? Just didn't remove the people who were allegedly bullying Ron (hours before I joined the conversation)? Why didn't Seth or Robin remove them? They were both online at the time. Arguing that the harassment policy (created YESTERDAY) is somehow relevant to something I said two days before it was made is ridiculous. With that same logic it applies to this: This situation is not black and white, I'll give you that. But there are clear efforts to get rid of me within the higher-ups. Only two days ago, Nero abused her power and removed my Discord permissions as an admin. Then, Robin edited his post about my removal and removed the fact that it said "temporary suspension." Not much of a conspiracy theorist myself but this is only after I started talking about things that made the uncomfortable. Robin and Seth want an EAO completely loyal to them in fear of a possible coup.
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Post by Video on Jan 14, 2020 21:24:58 GMT
So mocking someone about their mental health and suicidal thoughts in public isn't bullying? With the images provided, no, if there's some greater context I should see to understand the situation better than I would love to see it, but those images do not constitute bullying in my opinion. The dictionary definition of bullying is as follows: Humiliation and ridiculing someone, especially in public, is a perfect example of bullying. When you're very clearly mocking someone because of their mental health (when it's abundantly clear they are emotionally unstable), it's bullying, regardless of the context.
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Post by super on Jan 14, 2020 21:25:35 GMT
You're right; Panther didn't have a mental breakdown. But where in the original thread did Super mention Ron or Panther at all? The answer: nowhere. In fact, you can do a CTRL + F on the original thread and you can see the only posts that contain mentions of Panther were not by super himself. Ron was not mentioned anywhere in the thread period. The first person to bring up Panther at all in that thread was actually you.
I DM'd super myself and then he provided to name ron himself, use some critical thinking please.
he said the thread, not dms what
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Post by Wild1145 on Jan 14, 2020 21:27:00 GMT
eah, and? That was around the time that he was presumed to still be on the loose. Not really an excuse when frankly that's the least of both their problems... They've both encouraged bullying and harassment of players since they've taken to power, so this isn't a first, Panther isn't the only person that's been targeted and when challenged, odds are the response from Seth and Robin comes back as "I'm busy" or "For the memes" or some shit like that. I'll just point back to that time when Seth had a telnet admin post a thread to vote for Seth to take over the discord server and then got everyone he knew to vote for it with the promise of promotions in the server, just so he could land grab that from me... Sorry, but something about glass houses and throwing stones here, and something about a lack of actual leadership...
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