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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jul 21, 2019 1:46:39 GMT
I understand that this is being treated as a hilarious joke, but the entire thread containing the ownership policy was very recently eradicated, obviously eradicating the policy itself. This policy was voted on and approved by a majority of the community, and while it wasn't perfected, it set very important precedent that during a severe emergency we can democratically elect a new owner, rather than the executives choosing one themselves or some other unfair process. The policy wasn't perfect, but we're talking about something which was approved by a majority of people here and used to elect the current owner we have right now. I don't like the idea of a policy which was literally put in place for cases which wouldn't happen right now, but potentially very later on in the future in the case of a critical problem where we need to define new ownership being removed like this, and not even formally. There was no announcement or even an archival of the policy, it was simply deleted and laughed about. The policy was written by mibbzz and Hockey, and I would like to see their opinions on this as well. I don't want to see a response to this thread in the form of "we just don't need it" or "it won't be executed", because that's like saying you don't need health insurance because you're probably not going to get badly sick one day. This policy was put in place to prevent power struggles in the case of an owner EMERGENCY, not to be invoked every month for fun, it was put in place for unforeseen scenarios such as Windows simply disappearing. If something were to ever happen, this policy would be more than a convenience.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 1:52:50 GMT
Because I'm not going anywhere. And I'm the owner of this server so /shrug. It was laughed about because the entire policy itself was joke, because literally normal person that looks at a minecraft server, with an ownership policy, will find it completely hilarious.
if i never said anything no one would of noticed
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jul 21, 2019 2:01:16 GMT
Because I'm not going anywhere. And I'm the owner of this server so /shrug. It was laughed about because the entire policy itself was joke, because literally normal person that looks at a minecraft server, with an ownership policy, will find it completely hilarious. if i never said anything no one would of noticed And yet a majority of people voted the policy into place, or let me guess that doesn't matter anymore? "Because I'm not going anywhere" isn't helping anything, it's not like we knew Windows was going anywhere. You kind of missed the point of the policy, which is to cover in the case of an unforeseen emergency. It wasn't really a joke given the fact that it was literally what gave you the position that you have right now.
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Post by fionn on Jul 21, 2019 2:06:22 GMT
Because I'm not going anywhere. And I'm the owner of this server so /shrug. It was laughed about because the entire policy itself was joke, because literally normal person that looks at a minecraft server, with an ownership policy, will find it completely hilarious. if i never said anything no one would of noticed And yet a majority of people voted the policy into place, or let me guess that doesn't matter anymore? "Because I'm not going anywhere" isn't helping anything, it's not like we knew Windows was going anywhere. You kind of missed the point of the policy, which is to cover in the case of an unforeseen emergency. It wasn't really a joke given the fact that it was literally what gave you the position that you have right now. just be quiet
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jul 21, 2019 2:08:14 GMT
And yet a majority of people voted the policy into place, or let me guess that doesn't matter anymore? "Because I'm not going anywhere" isn't helping anything, it's not like we knew Windows was going anywhere. You kind of missed the point of the policy, which is to cover in the case of an unforeseen emergency. It wasn't really a joke given the fact that it was literally what gave you the position that you have right now. just be quiet No thanks, I'm bringing up a legitimate concern.
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Post by fionn on Jul 21, 2019 2:08:55 GMT
No thanks, I'm bringing up a legitimate concern. that nobody else is concerned about
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jul 21, 2019 2:11:35 GMT
No thanks, I'm bringing up a legitimate concern. that nobody else is concerned about Says you, but even if it was the case that wouldn't stop me from bringing it up. It seems like you don't actually have a response to any of the points that I make, so you would prefer to attempt to disrupt actual discussion.
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Post by fionn on Jul 21, 2019 2:16:17 GMT
that nobody else is concerned about Says you, but even if it was the case that wouldn't stop me from bringing it up. It seems like you don't actually have a response to any of the points that I make, so you would prefer to attempt to disrupt actual discussion. alright then the ownership policy was removed because the owner of the server decided so. despite your fantasies for the server you haven't played on since 2015, it cannot be a democracy. it's a fucking minecraft server. the owner decided to get rid of it, so he did. you're making a big fuss over nothing. there does not need to be a poll made for everything, and some things, seth, despite what you might think, can make his own desision on. if you want to rule the server so badly your way pay for the server or make your own
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jul 21, 2019 2:27:09 GMT
Says you, but even if it was the case that wouldn't stop me from bringing it up. It seems like you don't actually have a response to any of the points that I make, so you would prefer to attempt to disrupt actual discussion. alright then the ownership policy was removed because the owner of the server decided so. despite your fantasies for the server you haven't played on since 2015, it cannot be a democracy. it's a fucking minecraft server. the owner decided to get rid of it, so he did. you're making a big fuss over nothing. there does not need to be a poll made for everything, and some things, seth, despite what you might think, can make his own desision on. if you want to rule the server so badly your way pay for the server or make your own Your mischaracterization, actually that's putting it a bit lightly, complete restructuring of my argument is frankly bizarre. The point I'm making is that this policy isn't for while Seth is in power, it's in the case of an emergency. What if Seth literally went into a coma one day and was unable to continue being the owner? That's the type of scenario the ownership policy is trying to cover, it's covering a worst case scenario and I have no idea how this isn't coming across to you. The owner of the server did decide to remove the policy, that is true, but I'm able to criticize that action regardless of that fact. I find it hilarious how you call this ownership policy "my fantasy" when I was actually criticizing it more than a lot of people during the actual drafting process, and I still don't think the policy was perfect even after approval, but I did vote for it and even with its imperfections it does its job. I will also reiterate the fact that a majority of people voted for "my fantasy", and I also had literally nothing to do with the process of getting it in place or drafting it. Your point that I'm trying to rule the server is just a straight logical fallacy and that should be noticeable to anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 2:28:16 GMT
Because I'm not going anywhere. And I'm the owner of this server so /shrug. It was laughed about because the entire policy itself was joke, because literally normal person that looks at a minecraft server, with an ownership policy, will find it completely hilarious. if i never said anything no one would of noticed And yet a majority of people voted the policy into place, or let me guess that doesn't matter anymore? "Because I'm not going anywhere" isn't helping anything, it's not like we knew Windows was going anywhere. You kind of missed the point of the policy, which is to cover in the case of an unforeseen emergency. It wasn't really a joke given the fact that it was literally what gave you the position that you have right now. Heres the difference between me & mark and windows: theres a billion ways for people to contact me. People on here have my number, Robin even has my mom and my sister on snapchat. So physically I can't ghost even if I wanted to.
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Post by fionn on Jul 21, 2019 2:32:56 GMT
alright then the ownership policy was removed because the owner of the server decided so. despite your fantasies for the server you haven't played on since 2015, it cannot be a democracy. it's a fucking minecraft server. the owner decided to get rid of it, so he did. you're making a big fuss over nothing. there does not need to be a poll made for everything, and some things, seth, despite what you might think, can make his own desision on. if you want to rule the server so badly your way pay for the server or make your own Your mischaracterization, actually that's putting it a bit lightly, complete restructuring of my argument is frankly bizarre. The point I'm making is that this policy isn't for while Seth is in power, it's in the case of an emergency. What if Seth literally went into a coma one day and was unable to continue being the owner? That's the type of scenario the ownership policy is trying to cover, it's covering a worst case scenario and I have no idea how this isn't coming across to you. The owner of the server did decide to remove the policy, that is true, but I'm able to criticize that action regardless of that fact. I find it hilarious how you call this ownership policy "my fantasy" when I was actually criticizing it more than a lot of people during the actual drafting process, and I still don't think the policy was perfect even after approval, but I did vote for it and even with its imperfections it does its job. I will also reiterate the fact that a majority of people voted for "my fantasy", and I also had literally nothing to do with the process of getting it in place or drafting it. Your point that I'm trying to rule the server is just a straight logical fallacy and that should be noticeable to anyone. if he goes into a coma one day, we host an election, and during that time then we become a democracy until an owner is chosen. i have no idea why a policy was needed for this
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jul 21, 2019 2:33:41 GMT
And yet a majority of people voted the policy into place, or let me guess that doesn't matter anymore? "Because I'm not going anywhere" isn't helping anything, it's not like we knew Windows was going anywhere. You kind of missed the point of the policy, which is to cover in the case of an unforeseen emergency. It wasn't really a joke given the fact that it was literally what gave you the position that you have right now. Heres the difference between me & mark and windows: theres a billion ways for people to contact me. People on here have my number, Robin even has my mom and my sister on snapchat. So physically I can't ghost even if I wanted to. It goes farther than ghosting. The ownership policy applies for when the owner has either gone rogue (I don't think this would ever happen in your case, but it's still an essential thing to have on the policy), or is unable to perform their service. As I mentioned in my other post, what if you literally entered a coma and were unable to continue being the owner? There has to be a system in place for this, and I hate to repeat myself but a majority of people did vote this ownership policy into place.
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Post by Polaris Seltzeris on Jul 21, 2019 2:35:51 GMT
Your mischaracterization, actually that's putting it a bit lightly, complete restructuring of my argument is frankly bizarre. The point I'm making is that this policy isn't for while Seth is in power, it's in the case of an emergency. What if Seth literally went into a coma one day and was unable to continue being the owner? That's the type of scenario the ownership policy is trying to cover, it's covering a worst case scenario and I have no idea how this isn't coming across to you. The owner of the server did decide to remove the policy, that is true, but I'm able to criticize that action regardless of that fact. I find it hilarious how you call this ownership policy "my fantasy" when I was actually criticizing it more than a lot of people during the actual drafting process, and I still don't think the policy was perfect even after approval, but I did vote for it and even with its imperfections it does its job. I will also reiterate the fact that a majority of people voted for "my fantasy", and I also had literally nothing to do with the process of getting it in place or drafting it. Your point that I'm trying to rule the server is just a straight logical fallacy and that should be noticeable to anyone. if he goes into a coma one day, we host an election, and during that time then we become a democracy until an owner is chosen. i have no idea why a policy was needed for this Host an election based on what? What do you think policies exist for? The reason why a system is in place is so that specific protocols can be followed, and so that it is actually in-place as opposed to being unofficial and hoping that whoever happens to have power then doesn't just pick an owner themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 2:36:09 GMT
Heres the difference between me & mark and windows: theres a billion ways for people to contact me. People on here have my number, Robin even has my mom and my sister on snapchat. So physically I can't ghost even if I wanted to. It goes farther than ghosting. The ownership policy applies for when the owner has either gone rogue (I don't think this would ever happen in your case, but it's still an essential thing to have on the policy), or is unable to perform their service. As I mentioned in my other post, what if you literally entered a coma and were unable to continue being the owner? There has to be a system in place for this, and I hate to repeat myself but a majority of people did vote this ownership policy into place. Then I,
Seth Kelly, if in any event i am rendered incapable of performing my minecraft server ownering dutities,
Hereby pass ownership to Robin.end of story. not gonna argue for hours on end. and he has all my acc info, so it only makes sense. The only reason why, we did voting with windows, was because he physically wasn't there to pass it to someone, therefore the community decided it.
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Post by Hockey on Jul 21, 2019 3:58:11 GMT
This is not okay. Not only did the ownership policy describe what to do if the owner went MIA, but it also gave instructions on how to remove the owner in emergency cases. Additionally, it disallowed the owner from transferring ownership to another user. Instead, elections must be held. We spent weeks writing it so that we could be more prepared next time. It was supposed to be a policy above the owner, and I'm extremely disappointed you've decided to take this step.
...and Wilee's note on the power struggles thing is so real.
While writing the policy, I had to sift through so much politics and have public discord talks to reassure everyone that everything was going to be okay. The most frequent comment I got was "Who are you to tell us what to do, you're just the temporary exec admin." I had genuine worries that factions of the community were going to split off to form new communities or try to start a coup. If this situation ever arises again, we need something to give us guidance, and that was what the policy was about.
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